Who Has Been In Control, Who Is … and Who Will Be?
In the discussion over the so-called New World Order and how best to define it, the roles of Israel, the Jews and Zionism (not to mention Jesus as being the originator of dynastic bloodlines in Europe) frequently come up. We’d like to comment generally about this strange topic which won’t go away online, though we are not Jewish. However, we have studied the Bible, both the Hebrew scriptures (Tanakh) as well as the New Testament, being ourselves Christians. We have worshiped with Jewish people in a temple setting. We have studied Hebrew. We have contemplated converting to Judaism without renouncing our belief in Jesus as the Messiah. However, we have not read in any intensive way the Talmud and other rabbinic materials which are valued by some Jewish people. All we know about Zionism or care to know is that “Zion” is a word used by the prophets to designate the Land of Israel and Jerusalem. We recognize that the word Zionism means different things to different people: for instance, there are very orthodox, Zionist Jews who view non-Jews as anathema or untouchables; and there are people who consider themselves Christian Zionists, which may be a gross contradiction in terms for many Jews who consider themselves Zionists, even as it is a term which offends some Christians. Our view is that anybody has a right to call himself anything he or she wishes and live in peace.
As for us, with all the crazy things we digest online to better inform (or distract) you as a reader of this drivel, being fascinated by human madness, individual and collective, we don’t know what the hell to think. So buy your ticket and take your chances.
The question has frequently come up in discussions about the New World Order or a one-world government which addresses the degree to which Zionist Jews are at the heart of such an elitist effort, which presumably will consolidate all of the nations of the world under one central governing body. There are some people who believe that Zionist Jews presently control the media and the entertainment industry and the financial centers of the world commerce. All of these things may be true, wholly or in part. Who knows (or may care)? But our view is that if this is the place that Zionists presently occupy, it is a temporary arrangement which won’t last. Whatever the present or future status of world governance may be, whether elite Jews or non-Jews are in control or will be, we believe that any and all governments on earth will give way to a messianic kingdom for believers as it is described in the prophets, Psalms and Daniel, by Jesus, and by John, the writer of the book of Revelation. Jesus wins. Yea!
We define a believer as someone who subscribes to the view — now or later — that the God of Israel has a plan of redemption and restoration for the people of Israel and the world, the living and the dead, which will include a final resurrection with rewards to follow. (What do you really care?)
But our purpose for writing this piece is not to argue the rightness of our personal beliefs which no doubt contrast with those of a lot of people, but to offer clarification and a response to questions which have been raised by some commentators online about presumed occult foundations of Israel and therefore her occult destiny. We define the word “occultism” as the study of divination, sorcery and communicating with spirits of the dead for the purpose of practicing these things to gain advantages — which are opposed by God as stipulated by the Mosaic Law as it is presented in the Torah, specifically in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. We believe that Christians as well as Jews are bound by relevant laws or commandments in the Torah which are reasonably applied in our present society. Jesus lived and encouraged others to live in accordance with the covenant laws expressed relevantly in the Torah, adding that to love one’s neighbor as oneself, freely forgiving others who have wronged us, was to love and please God. (You’ve no doubt heard it all before.)
What has prompted us to write this piece are a series of questions which were recently put to a commentator, researcher and writer who is fairly well known online and very prolific as pertains to the so-called New World Order and the global and/or occult elite as they may operate to control the world behind the scenes. His views are “illuminating” but extreme to a fault in many cases, it seems to us. So we take all of his views with a grain of salt. However, we do not doubt that there are wealthy and powerful elitists with global objectives; nor do we doubt that there are subhuman beings, perhaps inhabited by demonic spirits (perhaps in all cases), which possess high levels of intelligence. We believe these beings will all ultimately be destroyed by God — at least that is our hope.
The questions put to Wes Penre by a man who identifies himself as MAD and his answers are as follows. Our running commentary is provided in italics.
MAD: I am of the belief as well that the war we are fighting, is, and must be won, is one of a spiritual nature. So many people are unaware of their own spiritual potentials and capabilities, let alone that they are engaged in a metaphysical battle for their very souls, and the future of the planet. And this spiritual battle does indeed take place on multiple levels of consciousness and awareness. Due to constant manipulation and deceit, it’s been fairly easy for the Illuminati to suppress and control our spiritual development over the past millenniums through restrictive dogma and tactics of oppression.
Awareness comes from personal experience and our subtle, spontaneous human interconnectedness, emotions, and relationships; not from the obsessive compulsive rituals held within prison-like confines of death-worshiping churches, or at the seat of a sacrificial altar. You are correct too in the fact that mainstream and alternative religions can potentially teach people positive life lessons, though it’s more commonly used not only as a crutch for the psychologically dependent, but also as a way to set faction against faction, and keep us divided in our differences instead of united in our commonalities.
Another subject of which we have many agreements, and that you touched upon in your comments regarding Scientology, is the near total control of not only the mass media and corporate run news-stations, but over Hollywood and the entertainment industry as well. In particular, you’ve done a lot of extremely interesting research into the psyops (propaganda) tactics and “satanic” symbolism behind rock ‘n’ roll.
Rap and hip-hop are starting to come under this same scrutiny as well, as more and more entertainers become involved with Freemasonry and incorporate “Illuminati” style subject matter in their lyrics and artwork. I don’t know if I believe that all of these people are CIA mind-control slaves, but I wouldn’t debate the fact that many of them are controlled assets of the military-industrial-complex, and social engineering institutions such as Tavistock.
Most of these entertainers are probably unaware of the plot, and just perform the music they are given, and take the roles their agents sign them up for, not realizing that they are being used for a major corporate takeover connected to the agendas of the government and military.
I also wouldn’t question the fact that some of these well known entertainers actually ARE involved in MK-ULTRA or PROJECT MONARCH like programming, beginning at a very early age and perhaps running through multiple generations of celebrity families in Hollywood. Could you go into a little detail on this subject, and how deep do you think the rabbit hole goes regarding the entertainment industry and Hollywood propaganda techniques?
WES: I have a certain section of my website specifically dedicated to music, art and entertainment: (http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/index2.htm). I noticed early on that the one part of the Illuminati Agenda that people have the hardest time believing is that the music industry is manipulated and controlled by the Illuminati. Before I go into details, I just want to throw out some food for thought: If we agree that this world is to a great extent controlled by the Brotherhood (which these days is quite easy to prove), why on Earth would it be so hard to realize that the music industry and Hollywood are controlled, too? After all, if I were a top Illuminist, one of the first places I would look into and try to control and manipulate would be the music and film industries. Why? Because from there I can reach the whole world at once with my propaganda! Whatever your message is, if you own the media, the music industry and the film industry, you have the PERFECT propaganda machine! Don’t think for a second that the Illuminati didn’t think about that. They are not that stupid. Even L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology, had the same idea. If Scientology could recruit enough celebrities, the church would BOOM. So he and his successors did exactly that, and the churched BOOMED!
This subject is so hot that many researchers don’t even want to touch it, it seems like. Not even the well known researchers, such as David Icke and Alex Jones have touched the subject of rock music and mind-control in Hollywood. Very strange, I must say, because it is such an important part of the Illuminati agenda. Perhaps, they don’t want to look in that direction because they like the music and therefore have a blind spot to the subject. I don’t know. I have tried to alert them on this problem, and although I usually get communication back, I never got any replies to my emails about rock music.
Anyway, here is the thing, and here is the myth: Rock ‘n’ roll is rebellious and a weapon against corruption and greed; with rock ’n’ roll we can change the world. Now, here is the reality: Rock music was an Illuminati experiment from the beginning to the end, to see how easy it would be to manipulate, degrade and drug down the masses. Illuminati puppets like the CIA sponsored Aldous Huxley, Timothy Leary and others started promoting LSD, while other government plants, including the rock stars themselves, promoted other kinds of drugs as well. From there we had the hippie movement. All those young, good-hearted people let their hair grow, thinking they could change the world with drugs, peace demonstrations and rock/pop music. Instead, people became more and more introverted and apathetic as time went on. Many got stuck in drugs and quite a few died from it — including the rock stars themselves.
(Of what ultimate benefit to a commerce-driven elite is a world not of productive young people and adults, which oils the world economy, but of drugged-out, apathetic people? People took and take drugs because they wish to escape from the boredom of the everyday life these two men say the elitists somehow control. Rock ‘n‘ roll has been spontaneous, and in most cases rebellious against the very establishment these two men say are running the show. — rcg)
Dr. John Coleman wrote an excellent book called “The Committee of 300”, about the Tavistock Center and how they, within that facility and behind locked doors, did advanced mind control experiments on people. According to Coleman and other researchers as well, it was here the Beatles and the Rolling Stones were “created.” (Reading the histories of both bands and their slow and gradual seminal growth, with a lot of hard knocks and misses, not hits, along the way refutes this ridiculous theory. — rcg) The Beatles were presented as the “good guys” (who turned rebellious and bad? — rcg) and the Stones were the “bad guys,” who took drugs and were generally degraded (Beatles, of course, took drugs too, but it was done behind the scenes, at least at first). This is typical Illuminati agenda: to create two sides of the same coin to have a game going. Which group do you like, the Beatles or the Stones? You almost had to choose sides back in the 1960’s. John Lennon, supposedly, in a late interview, actually admitted to that the Beatles were a CIA experiment, although I haven’t been able to verify if this is a true or just disinformation. (Then why bring it up? What Lennon said was that if the government created LSD to enslave people, it had the opposite effect of setting people “free,” including himself, who refused to be bound, personally or creatively — a case in point being the song “Revolution,” which poked fun at the establishment and social engineers. — rcg)
One thing people are not aware of is that the back beat and the rhythm in rock music have very occult origins and go back to the Mystery Schools of old Babylon. But even if we stay within the 20th Century, we find that rock music is something that was born out of the occult traditions. Modern rock music can be traced back to the teachings of the 20th Century occultist, illuminist and ‘Satanist’ Aleister Crowley (1875-1947). This is why so many rock stars are into Crowley’s stuff. The Beatles were into him, and so are/were the Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath, Sting, Jim Morrison, David Bowie, Elton John, Led Zeppelin and many, many more. Jimmy Page from Led Zeppelin, by the way, is probably the most fanatic Crowley disciple in the music industry, ever. He once had the 2nd largest Crowley collection of books and occult material in the world, and even bought Crowley’s old residence near Loch ness in Scotland. Some people say Crowley was not an Illuminist, but that is not true. He was a 99th degree of the Order of Memphis and Misraïm, which actually is the REAL Illuminati Order, where a few selected people go after have completed the 33 degrees of Freemasonry. More on the Illuminati degrees can be studied here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/112606c.htm. Crowley was a black magician, no matter what people think. His magick (spelled with a k at the end to separate it from stage magic, and some ‘evil tongues’ say the k also stands for black, like in black magick) is commonly used by the black magicians within the Illuminati.
There is a lot to say about rock music, and there is no time to go into it all here. For more details, I suggest people read the “rock and roll and mind control” section of my website. However, there are a few details I would like to mention:
I want to emphasize that before people make their own conclusions about what I have to say about rock music, it is important that they at least skim through most of the articles I have posted on the subject. Too many people read a headline and a paragraph or two, then they email me and say I am a piece of shit for trying to have them stop listening to their favorite music, and that I am a Christian fanatic. That “accusation” only proves they haven’t read much, because I am not even Christian, which I make pretty clear. Now, I am NOT trying to have people stop listening to their favorite music at all – I want to make sure everybody understands that. Personally, I still listen to many of my favorite bands, although I know what is going on behind the scenes. However, we all NEED to know what this is all about, otherwise we will not understand the whole picture, and what is affecting us subconsciously. And if we don’t understand this vital subject, we will never be free from their manipulation. Therefore I say, go ahead and listen to whatever you want as long as you know what’s behind it. When you know the truth, you are unlikely to be manipulated – at least that’s my theory. And you will listen to the music with totally new ears – I do! It’s still often great music.
Most people have heard the phrase: “I sold my soul for rock ‘n’ roll”. With other words, the artist supposedly sold his/her soul to Satan in exchange for glory and fame, riches, drugs, rock and roll and an abundance of sex. We say: “OK, but that’s just a myth and a good story”. But is it really? Why don’t we ask the artists themselves? Many of them have actually come out and confessed that this is actually what they have been doing, and they are serious about it! Take Bob Dylan as an example. He was interviewed by late Ed Bradley on “60 Minutes” just recently. This interview was posted on video-google until a few weeks ago, when it was taken down for unknown reasons. In this very interesting interview, Bradley asked Dylan how he could write such incredible songs in the 60’s, and Dylan said he had no idea (Dylan was being coy and humble. Often his lyrics were political and anti-establishment, not at all flattering of those who might have programmed him — rcg) He was convinced he didn’t write them. They were “written for him” by “someone else,” and he did not mean another composer, but something from the spiritual world (a muse, which is just a way of describing one’s conscious imagination? Of course he would take credit if forced to. He certainly wouldn’t give businessmen credit for anything he did: he loathed them — rcg) He started quoting the lyrics from his masterpiece: “It’s alright ma, I’m only bleeding.” He said something to the effect: “You just don’t write lyrics like that. They were magically written.” (The mind is a mysterious thing, given us by God, imbued with free will, which defies even our abilities to understand it. Dylan was and is the ultimate free thinker. — rcg)
Then he goes on and accidentally mentions that he sold his soul to the devil a long time ago (A euphemism for the industry artists much operate in. Dylan is a Christian. In the same interview he gave credit to “his Captain,” a reference to Jesus. — rcg) When he realizes that his tongue had slipped, he found himself and stopped in the middle of a sentence. Bradley did not let the mistake on Dylan’s part pass unnoticed, though, and elaborated on it. Dylan then admitted he had to continue being on the road, year after year, as a part of the bargain he had with the “Lord of this World,” which Christians know is the devil (who imposes on us the need to survive unlike what was once found in Eden, to which we will return. — rcg) Excerpts from this interview can be read here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/field-of-art.htm. Scroll down to the Bob Dylan section.
Dylan is just one in a crowd of artists that have messed with the occult and made a bargain with the demonic realms and been possessed by entities who are actually helping them write their songs. (If he ever did, he doesn’t now, and hasn’t since the mid-70‘s — rcg) Elton John admitted to the exact same thing when it comes to his music. He said something to the effect that writing an album like “Yellow Brick Road” in the mid 70’s was out of his league. He has no idea how that album came about. (Another humble reference to the mystery of imagination. What was he going to say? Yeah, I wrote it, and I’m great? Stream of consciousness creation by an artist does not in any way suggest mind control. Art is free … or it doesn’t happen. — rcg)
My research has led me to believe that most (if not all) of the super artists that have really been trend makers, are mind controlled slaves, created by the Illuminati to complete a certain task, and often enough, their managers are their handlers and controllers. These artists are, like I said, the trend makers, whom all the rest follow.
You have to have a certain attitude to make it in the music industry, and you have to be willing to be manipulated and controlled. Young artists think they can be famous by doing ‘their thing’, and the record companies will adjust to that. That only occurs if the artist happens to have the exact approach that the music industry is looking for at the moment. If not, THEY will decide how the artist should perform his/her stuff. If you don’t conform – no deal (all big labels are owned by the Illuminati, by the way – easy to verify).
For those who doubt the satanic, occult overtones in rock/pop music, I would strongly recommend the book: “Lucifer Rising” by Gavin Badderley, who happens to be the head of Church of Satan in Great Britain. His book exposes the satanic rock industry, and you would be surprised how many rock stars are members of Church of Satan! Badderley himself is interviewing artist after artist in the book, and they all admit to being Satanists. The book should be available in any well sorted bookstore.
So what is the purpose with the occult rock music? The purpose is to reach the minds of our youth. Of course, death metal for example is openly satanic, and so is Marilyn Manson, both in their lyrics and music, but this is not often the case with the rest of the rock/pop music genre. Instead, the occult/satanic messages are hidden in the lyrics or in backward messages, also called “back-masking.”
Here is another important thing: For those who don’t know what a “riff” is in rock music, I’ll try to explain it here in a few words. A riff is a beat or a sequence or a pattern, played in a certain order over and over again as a part of the background rhythm; it sometimes has the form of a melody itself. We have a typical example of a riff in “Satisfaction” by the Rolling Stones (same pattern repeated over and over by Keith Richard’s electric guitar). These riffs can be pretty seductive and put us in a light trance. This, plus the back beat, is what is so attractive and great about rock music, and no matter if people know what a riff or a back beat is or not, they just feel great without knowing why. Nothing’s wrong with that, as long as it stops there. However, if you add occult or satanic messages upon that, when the listener is in a state of light trance, the lyrics go right into your subconscious mind and may affect your way of thinking, without you even noticing it. So, to simplify it, the purpose of rock music is to have our youth interested in the occult, degrade them and have them rebel against their parents to destroy the family unit (a major goal for them), create violence and apathy and to be brought down to a certain level of consciousness, where they are easily manipulated. They are trying to create a generation that can easily accept the New World Order as something good.
Most teenagers these days don’t listen to the lyrics, and therefore they say the lyrics won’t affect them. Nothing could be further from the truth! In fact, if you DONT listen to the lyrics, you are more prone to be negatively affected by hidden messages than if you listen to and analyze the lyrics. What you don’t consciously absorb goes directly into your subconscious mind and will affect you unconsciously.
The question is: did these artists ACTUALLY make a pact with the Devil, or what is really going on here? Personally, I think it all comes down to mind control. I know for sure many of our greatest and most popular artists have multiple personalities, most certainly made such through trauma based mind control. I am corresponding with, and have corresponded with, a whole lot of mind controlled slaves in general, who have escaped, or were in the process of escaping, from the Illuminati. They have, independently from each other, pointed out the same artists as being multiples. How do they know? Well, if anybody would know, it would be them. They recognize things in others that we don’t necessarily notice.
According to those people, Bob Dylan is definitely a multiple, so are/were Jim Morrison, John Lennon, Britney Spears, Joan Baez, Curt Cobain, Elton John, Elvis Presley and many more. These artists have been specifically pointed out, both by the mind controlled slaves and different researchers, among them Fritz Springmeier, he himself a multiple.
However, I am not saying that all artists are mind controlled or directly part of the agenda; only the ones who are the real trend makers and super artists. These are heavily promoted by the industry and the media. The rest, the majority, just jump on the bandwagon, making a similar kind of music that the record industry is looking for at the moment, and they go through their careers quite ignorant of what is happening on a higher level. By the way, another important thing: the whole country music industry is nothing but a huge drug smuggling front for the Brotherhood. And most of the artists in Memphis are drug smugglers and mind controlled slaves, programmers or handlers. Don’t believe me? Again, read Springmeier’s books, plus TranceFormation of America, by Cathy O’Brien (former mind control slave) and Mark Phillips. After having read the latter, there can be little doubt in anyone’s mind that this is the truth. Also, there are videos on video.google and YouTube, where you can watch Cathy O’Brien and Mark Phillips in action, trying to find justice. It is very moving and very, very real.
There is much more to know, and I suggest that people check out an article I wrote a few years ago, which I constantly update: “Mind Control in the Field of Art”: and also “Artists under Scrutiny,” which confirms what I’ve been talking about here.
One last thing I want to add: it’s not just rock music. We have the same agenda going on here, regardless if it’s punk, rap, rave, hip-hop, and grunge or whatever. No difference, same thing.
MAD: It reminds me of the old legend of Robert Johnson (1911-1938) selling his soul to the Devil at the Crossroads so he could play the blues. Arguably the first musician of the rhythm and blues era to die at twenty seven, he was a huge influence on groups like Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, Dylan, and The Rolling Stones. Moving into a related subject, how do you see the topic of Zionism as fitting into the structure of the media, Hollywood, and the entertainment industry?
WES: Many people think that Zionism is the religion of the Jews. Nothing could be more wrong. Zionism is not a religion, first of all, but a political movement, and has nothing to do with the ordinary Jew. In fact, most Jews oppose Zionism as being evil and want to have nothing to do with it.
One thing I had a hard time grasping was why Christians are whole-heartedly supporting Israel, the Zionist state, although they know about the New World Order, and that Israel was founded by the Illuminati to create a Zionist state for their own purposes. [Interestingly enough, as a side line, the word Israel can be split up into three words: Is-Ra-El, where Is stands for Isis, the occult goddess, Ra for Ra, the Sun God, worshipped by the Illuminati, and El for Saturn, which is no one less but Satan himself. Quite something].
I asked quite a few Christians about this contradiction, but I never got a straight answer, until I asked one particular Christian, whom I did some research with in the past. He said that “God is working in mysterious ways, and he is probably using his enemies to build God’s chosen Country”. He didn’t sound too sure about it, like if he’d been wondering about this himself, but at least I now understood how Christians, who know about the Agenda, may think about Israel and why they support it.
Some say the Zionists are the ones behind the New World Order, but I don’t agree. Yes, they are a big and important part of the whole Illuminati network, and many Illuminists are also Zionists, but to say that Illuminism is equivalent to Zionism is simply not correct. It is very interesting, though, to read from The Talmud. It is extremely anti-Semitic in the sense that it looks down on everyone who is not a Zionist. It’s shocking to read it. As an example, it says a Jew can lie as much as he wants to non-Jews, and killing a non-Jew is not a crime. There are worse things than that even, mentioned in this evil book.
For those who want to know more about the true nature of Zionism, please read this shocking article from my website: The Harold Wallace Rosenthal interview. Even I was shocked! (Haven’t read it, yet. MORE TO COME — rcg)